There are tens of thousands of Christian denominations and numerous types and divisions within them. Whether Catholic, Mormon, Jehovah’s Witness, or more modern cults such as IHOP, or any of the many other Christian cults and sects old or new, within them are those who are genuine but deceived Christians, and ‘false’ Christians, along with ‘lukewarm’ or ‘worldly’ Christians.
People are often bewildered as to why there are so many Christian denominations, sects and cults, and confused as to which one of them, if any, could be the right one. False doctrine and bad practices cause problems enough, not the least of which is providing demonic doorways, or licence grounds.
Then there is a very broad array of evidence that there are some dark goings-on in the higher echelons of many of these churches. Although, generally speaking, it is carried out in great secrecy with the help of various ‘levels’ of knowledge, as in freemasonry, and so not much of it gets into the public domain.
Some stricter cults coach their followers not to pay attention to ‘the outside’ or any outside sources of information so that even when something is in the public domain, they are not aware of it.
“For first of all, when ye come together in the church, I hear that there be divisions among you; and I partly believe it. For there must be also heresies among you, that they which are approved may be made manifest among you.” (1 Corinthians 11:18-19)
“But I fear, lest by any means, AS THE SERPENT BEGUILED EVE THROUGH HIS SUBTILTY, so your minds should be corrupted from the SIMPLICITY THAT IS IN CHRIST. For if he that comes PREACHES ANOTHER JESUS WHOM WE HAVE NOT PREACHED, or if you RECEIVE ANOTHER SPIRIT, WHICH YE HAVE NOT RECEIVED or ANOTHER GOSPEL WHICH YE HAVE NOT ACCEPTED, ye might well bear with him.” (2 Corinthians 11:3-4)
“But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction. And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of. And through covetousness SHALL THEY WITH FEIGNED WORDS MAKE MERCHANDISE OF YOU: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not.” (2 Peter 2:1-3)
Often the various cults and sects do not rely only on the Bible – or their interpretation of it – but they have additional books which provide information about their beliefs and practices which are used alongside a Bible to ‘supplement’ or ‘clarify’ etc. the Bible whether a standard Bible or their own ‘translation’.
The Latter Day Saints have the Book of Mormon which they use alongside an AKJV bible. The Jehovah’s Witnesses have a whole library of many hundreds of publications throughout the decades since 1870 which they use along with their own Bible version. In addition, until fairly recently, two magazines were published every month, “Awake” and “The Watchtower”, but now only The Watchtower is published monthly, and Awake is an annual publication.
Christian Scientists have Mary Baker Eddy’s 1875 publication which she called the textbook of Christian Science, “Science and Health with Key to the Scriptures”. Baker Eddy authored 16 other titles that are still in print today, as well as about 600 Christian Science pamphlets and serial publications, newspapers, and magazines.
The Catholics have their own version of the Bible, the Vulgate, and “The Catechism of the Catholic Church” which sets out various Catholic doctrines and dogmas summarising the main beliefs, providing the groundwork for understanding what Catholics believe. There are an endless number of books about the Catholic church, Catholic faith and practice, and other aspects of Catholicism.
The Seventh-day Adventists founded their Seventh-day Adventist Publishing Association in 1861 and it is still going strong today. The Seventh-day Adventist Church has ‘literature evangelists’ to distribute their literature and they say they acknowledge literature evangelism as a self-supporting missionary in harmony with the church’s teachings and principles.
One of their founders, Ellen G. White (1827 – 1915) wrote dozens of books, about 5,000 periodical articles, and 200 pamphlets. As of 2019, more than 200 White titles are available in English, including compilations from her 100,000 pages of manuscript published by the Ellen G. White Estate, and accessible at the Adventist Book Center. [Wikipedia]
”I testify to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: IF ANYONE ADDS TO THEM, God will add to him the plagues written in this book; and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God will take away his part from the tree of life and from the holy city, which are written in this book.” (Revelation 22: 18-19)
“Now I beseech you, brethren, MARK THEM WHICH CAUSE DIVISIONS AND OFFENCES contrary to the doctrine which you have learned; AND AVOID THEM. For they that are such serve not our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly; and by good words and fair speeches deceive the hearts of the simple.” (Romans 16:17-18)
“If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness; He is proud, knowing nothing, but doting about questions and strifes of words, whereof cometh envy, strife, railings, EVIL SURMISINGS, PERVERSE DISPUTINGS OF MEN OF CORRUPT MINDS, AND DESTITUTE OF THE TRUTH, SUPPOSING THAT GAIN IS GODLINESS: from such withdraw thyself.” (1 Timothy 6:3-5)
“These are sensual persons, who cause divisions, not having the Spirit.” (Jude 1:19)
People can get trapped in these organisations through their community or because they were born into them. They have been programmed into believing certain things that seem to them to be correct, if not indisputable. Often they are deceived into believing that their particular organisation is the only one God uses. Many are convinced they are the only group who are saved and everyone else is lost. People are manipulated by cult leaders who are often narcissists and very capable manipulators, using tried and tested techniques, some of which have been developed over centuries.
Typically, an environment of fear is created in which people are subtly coerced into a mindset where they know they should not look outside of the cult literature etc. and it is wrong to ask questions or to question anything they are told by the cult leader/s.
Commonly, people feel fearful – and/or are incapable – of thinking outside of the beliefs they have been indoctrinated into. They are aware – subconsconciously or otherwise – that they can lose position and favour, and they may be excluded or shunned, even by their friends and families if they are also members of the cult.
Those who want to leave a cult may believe that even God will abandon them as a result, or won’t help them, which of course is not true, but it seems to be true to them at the time, and their various combined fears seem to have very real substance. Sometimes people can’t see a way out as their whole life has been wrapped up in the cult and they can’t even conceive of a life different that that. What would it look like? How would it be possible? It seems that everything they know and rely upon is in the cult, and there is nothing for them outside of it. This of course is not true but that situation seems very real to them.
“Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you.” (2 Corinthians 6:17)
“Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.” (Galatians 5:1)
“Trust in the Lord with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding. In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths. Be not wise in thine own eyes: fear the Lord, and depart from evil.” (Proverbs 3:5-7)
Due to demonic influences among other things, such as clever mind manipulation and control techniques, people can be easily misled and manipulated so that they are utterly convinced that salvation is dependent upon membership of their particular group, or church, or temple (the gold of the temple) or upon their leader/s.
This could not possibly be true because scripture does not contradict itself and it tells us that all the various denominations, sects and cults were started by man, and the Bible is clear that it is God who saves us only through Jesus.
”There is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;” (1 Timothy 2:5)
“Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.” (Acts 4:12)
God appointed the Apostles to lead the Church after Jesus had ascended to Heaven. From the beginning though, the Christian church was marred by splits, with people wanting to do things their way to get their own following. This only became more pronounced as over time the church has become more and more fragmented and corrupted.
“For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock. Also of your own selves shall men arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them.” (Acts 20:29-30)
“I know thy works, and thy labour, and thy patience, and how thou canst not bear them which are evil: and thou hast tried them which say they are apostles, and are not, and hast found them liars:” (Rev 2:2)
“For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ. And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.” (2 Cor 11:13-15)
“As I besought thee to abide still at Ephesus, that thou might charge some that they TEACH NO OTHER DOCTRINE, Neither give heed to FABLES and endless genealogies, which minister questions, rather than godly edifying which is in faith: so do.” (1 Timothy 1:3-4)
One reason why they became so corrupted is that by whatever means they came into such money and power – in some cases it was by means of sacrilege as they basically used the Bible to make money – they were not faithful and did not adhere to what God has said in the Bible.
“For we have not followed CUNNINGLY DEVISED FABLES, when we made known unto you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but were eyewitnesses of his majesty. For he received from God the Father honour and glory, when there came such a voice to him from the excellent glory, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased. And this voice which came from heaven we heard, when we were with him in the holy mount. We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts: KNOWING THIS FIRST, THAT NO PROPHECY OF THE SCRIPTURE IS OF ANY PRIVATE INTERPRETATION. For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.” (2 Peter 1:16-21)
“Now I beseech you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you; but that ye be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment. For it hath been declared unto me of you, my brethren, by them which are of the house of Chloe, that there are contentions among you. Now this I say, that every one of you saith, I am of Paul; and I of Apollos; and I of Cephas; and I of Christ. Is Christ divided? was Paul crucified for you? or were ye baptised in the name of Paul? I thank God that I baptised none of you, but Crispus and Gaius; Lest any should say that I had baptised in mine own name. And I baptised also the household of Stephanas: besides, I know not whether I baptised any other. For Christ sent me not to baptise, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect. For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God. For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent. Where is the wise? where is the scribe? where is the disputer of this world? hath not God made foolish the wisdom of this world?” (1 Corinthians 1:10-20)
“I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel: Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ. But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. As we said before, so say I now again, if any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed. For do I now persuade men, or God? or do I seek to please men? for if I yet pleased men, I should not be the servant of Christ. But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man. For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.” (Galatians 1:6-12)
Who would you rather believe, what God says in the Bible, or what men say?
Christianity ought to be centred on Jesus Christ rather than membership of any particular church or denomination, or follower of any man, preacher or other type of leader. Rather than a Christian cult, or sects, or denomination such as Church of England, Methodism or Lutheranism, with different beliefs or aims than set out in the Bible.
Jesus did not tell people to go out and build organisations and mega-churches and draw followers to themselves. Rather, he said:
“Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptising them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen.” (Matthew 28:19-20)
“Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.” (Matthew 7:13-14)
Jesus himself told us that to be a Christian, or to be saved, first of all, we need to believe in Him and then to follow what he said and be obedient to it.
“These things have I written unto you concerning them that seduce you. But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.” (1 John 2:26-27)
Jesus repeatedly warned that in the Last Days there would be great deception
“For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;” (2 Timothy 4:3)
“But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived. But continue thou in the things which thou hast learned and hast been assured of, knowing of whom thou hast learned them; AND THAT FROM A CHILD THOU HAST KNOWN THE HOLY SCRIPTURES, WHICH ARE ABLE TO MAKE THEE WISE UNTO SALVATION THROUGH FAITH WHICH IS IN CHRIST JESUS. All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.” (2 Timothy 3:13-17)
“Therefore judge nothing before the time, until the Lord come, who both will bring to light the hidden things of darkness, and will make manifest the counsels of the hearts: and then shall every man have praise of God. And these things, brethren, I have in a figure transferred to myself and to Apollos for your sakes; that ye might learn in us not to think of men above that which is written, that no one of you be puffed up for one against another. For who maketh thee to differ from another? and what hast thou that thou didst not receive? now if thou didst receive it, why dost thou glory, as if thou hadst not received it?” (1 Cor 4:5-7)
“Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness. Wherefore, beloved, seeing that ye look for such things, be diligent that ye may be found of him in peace, without spot, and blameless. And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you; As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction. “Ye therefore, beloved, seeing ye know these things before, beware lest ye also, being led away with the error of the wicked, fall from your own steadfastness. But grow in grace, and in the knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. To him be glory both now and forever. Amen.” (2 Peter 3:13-18)
As Christians, we are to seek a sound relationship with God through His Son, according to what God has communicated to us in the Bible, rather than whatever we have decided for ourselves – or have allowed others to convince us – is the right or wrong thing to do.
“All our righteousnesses are as filthy rags.” (Isaiah 64:6)
“But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness. And their word will eat as doth a canker: of whom is Hymenaeus and Philetus; Who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already; and overthrow the faith of some. Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity.” (2 Timothy 2:15-19)
“For they being ignorant of God’s righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.” (Romans 10:3)
There is a world of difference between “Christ-ianity” and “Church-ianity”. Jesus said: “Destroy this building made with hands and I will raise up another one made without hands”. What Jesus was telling us is that God’s true building is the body of Christ, those who believe in Him and follow Him, and do what he says, not a temple or a building, or any organisation, etc. made by man.
“For as we have many members in one body, and all members have not the same office: So we, being many, are one body in Christ, and every one members one of another.” (Romans 12:4-5)
“God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands; Neither is worshipped with men’s hands, as though he needed any thing, seeing he giveth to all life, and breath, and all things;” (Acts 17:24-25)
In Revelation 17, Bible prophecy tells us that most of these churches and denominations will end up being part of the ecumenical movement to build the one-world church leading back to Rome and following the antichrist rather than Jesus.
“Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him, That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand. LET NO MAN DECEIVE YOU BY ANY MEANS: FOR THAT DAY SHALL NOT COME, EXCEPT THERE COME A FALLING AWAY FIRST, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; Who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sits in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God. Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things? And now ye know what withholds that he might be revealed in his time. For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now lets will let, until he be taken out of the way. And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming: Even him, WHOSE COMING IS AFTER THE WORKING OF SATAN WITH ALL POWER AND SIGNS AND LYING WONDERS, And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; BECAUSE THEY RECEIVED NOT THE LOVE OF THE TRUTH, THAT THEY MIGHT BE SAVED. And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: That they all might be damned WHO BELIEVED NOT THE TRUTH, BUT HAD PLEASURE IN UNRIGHTEOUSNESS.” (2 Thessalonians 2:1-12)
“And I, brethren, could not speak unto you as unto spiritual, but as unto carnal, even as unto babes in Christ. I have fed you with milk, and not with meat: for hitherto ye were not able to bear it, neither yet now are ye able. For ye are yet carnal: for whereas there is among you envying, and strife, and divisions, are ye not carnal, and walk as men? For while one saith, I am of Paul; and another, I am of Apollos; are ye not carnal? Who then is Paul, and who is Apollos, but ministers by whom ye believed, even as the Lord gave to every man? I have planted, Apollos watered; but God gave the increase. So then neither is he that planteth any thing, neither he that watereth; but God that giveth the increase. Now he that planteth and he that watereth are one: and every man shall receive his own reward according to his own labour. For we are labourers together with God: ye are God’s husbandry, ye are God’s building. According to the grace of God which is given unto me, as a wise masterbuilder, I have laid the foundation, and another buildeth thereon. But let every man take heed how he buildeth thereupon. For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ. Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble; Every man’s work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man’s work of what sort it is.” (1 Corinthians 3:1-13)
“For though we walk In the flesh, we do not war after the flesh: For the weapons of our
warfare are not carnal but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds; Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalts itself against the knowledge of God and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ.” (2 Corinthians 10:3-5)
Invalid Reasons for Staying in a Church You Know Teaches False Doctrine
Hello History Is Vital To Understand How False Doctrine Originated.
Hope this is helpful:
The above article does not give much credit to the Protestant Reformation and how the protest against false doctrine originally started that caused the reformation of the romish church that came in gradually and changed the simplicity of the gospel in the early church. Protestantism is precisely about restoring and reforming the simple Bible doctrines that the Vatican had distorted and who had originally allowed pagan rituals handed down from Babylon and the following pagan empires. Baal worship / sun worship and Greek mythology was eventually introduced into Christianity. This meant that ordinary catholics where held captive in works and the wrong kind of fear of God by these traditions that removed righteousness by faith in a personal relationship with Jesus and ritualised the Holy Communion, baptism, saint worship, the immortality of the sole a destructive lie about statue of the dead thus introducing spiritualism into the mix which was diametrically opposed to the Spirit of Truth in the one God. They also made these and other doctrines into sacriments, a works based faith which would garner self righteousness would be the fruit rather than the death to self, selflessness which is the very opposite of the character that God would have us be as a Christlike child of God. The Catholic religious system (not ordinary catholic people trying the best they can in good faith) promotes pride and ambition where human merit is valued above humble heartedness and the fear of God and His Law and Word of God the Holy Bible. Rather than the received texts they promote their catechisms and rules that place the church over the Bible. This is anti christ the very opposite to the truth in the Bible religion.
God said call no man your father on earth (except your earthy Father)was prophetic because the religious Babylon was to appear during the 1260 yr period before it received a mortal headwound when Napoleon separated the church and state power of the Roman Catholic Church in 1798 that afterwards went into more secret practices to defeat protestantism through the secret masonic orders run by the jesuits to become change agents in the several protestant denominations and have splintered every denomination in their secret war against the Bible. That is why we have ecumenism today which was birthed in Vatican 2 producing false unity in the now apostate Protestant churches that are no longer protesting against false doctrine. Today every denomination has lost its protest and are trampling on the commandments of God.
Satan just need us to break on point in the law to be lost and that is his purpose and this is how he works in the high place of earth.
Revelation 3 says that Satans seat was located in Rome. They Even changed the “Times and Laws” in fulfilment of Daniel 9 prophesy of the Little Horn Power that was to rise out of the Roman empire, the Papal system that replaced the ceasars.
The processes of the reformation started to happen when ordinary people could have access to the Holy Bible the received texts. Once the Holy Bible was translated into different languages it caused a land slide of restorations that repaired the breach that had existed for over a thousand years of papal supremacy, that witheld the Holy Bible, persecuted the Bible and persecuted the saints, who proffessed a biblical faith. As soon as the ordinary ploughman new more than the priest about Bible truth, the reformation was unstoppable.
The Protestant Reformation restored the justification by faith and sanctification with a personal relationship with God the Father through our Lord Jesus in the new protestant faith in several denominations which restored full emersion baptism for an intelligent faith rather than infant sprinklings. Then the state of the dead was restored in another movement of protestantism and the ordinary Christian could avoid spiritualism thus pray to our Mediator Jesus Christ or The Father instead of the saints created by the Vatican with the pollution of evil spirits in our prayer and worship.
The Reformation was unraveled when Rome set up the anti Reformation Movement at the Council of Trent and formed the secret Jesuit Order who worked to infiltrate the church by artifice and sabotage. They have been working brake down the distinction of true Bible religion ever since. We are now in spiritual darkness as the Vatican is controlling the world again as Bible prophecy is being fulfilled. The world is wondering after the beast.
This man “Ian” is of the Seventh Day Adventist’s, which deny that one is truly Born-Again by and through the Power of the Holy Spirit… They also promote and lift the false teacher Ellen White on their site. Here is a quote “Think about what an incredible gift we have been given through the ministry of Ellen G. White. How can we learn to appreciate better the amazing light coming from her while also upholding the supremacy of Scripture?”
Ellen G. White was a false teacher, and how can we know this? The Lord’s Word clearly instructs that NO WOMAN can teach and rule over the true Body of Christ men included.
The SDA is of the Anti-Christ Spirit………..period.
What do you mean we SDA deny being born again? That is not true sir.
How are believers justified, sanctified (born again)? The apostle Paul addressed that question in his epistle to the Romans. “For just as you once presented your members as slaves to impurity and to greater and greater iniquity, so now present your members as slaves to righteousness for sanctification” (Rom. 6:19). “But now that you have been freed from sin and enslaved to God, the advantage you get is sanctification” (verse 22). The gift of righteousness is what sanctifies a person. In the book of Romans, Paul speaks of justification as the gift of the righteousness of God (Rom. 1:16, 17; 3:21-24; 4:22-25). This gift is what sanctifies or makes holy. When we are justified, we are “freed from sin” (Rom. 6:22), delivered from the impurity and iniquity that had been reigning in our lives (verse 19). The result of justification is that we are sanctified or made holy.
Thus, sanctification as growth involves an increase in holiness, a progressive development in the life of love and service for Christ and for others. We must learn to rely totally upon the perfect righteousness of Christ bestowed and not upon our own unaided efforts. We must be justified (born again) every day as the means of constant spiritual growth. Justification provides the power; growth in holiness (sanctification) is the result. The power of our fallen humanity is weakened as the power of Christ constantly subdues it, and the holiness that is Christ’s gift and presence becomes our habitual experience.
Providing we are on this narrow path we are born again but if fall into sin in this is undone therefore we need to work out our faith with fear and trembling Phillipians 2:12. Because we are being judged whilst in the flesh living in probation until.
So being born again is a condition of justification and sanctification combined and we need to understand that the judgement is taking place now in heaven because when Jesus returns his reward will be with him.
So rather than say I am born again I would rather say hey that my salvation is being worked out as I live.
If you were born of God’s Spirit you would have departed from SDA. Because the Holy Spirit would have made it uncomfortable for you to stay in an apostate cult, because you would see the lies they teach.
Being born again is of and by the Power of the Holy Spirit………we who are truly the Lord’s disciple’s are NOT living in “probation until” You believe in a works salvation, so you are not “born of and by God’s Holy Spirit”.
You stated this at the beginning of your reply: “What do you mean we SDA deny being born again? That is not true sir.”
This is your ending sentence: “So rather than say I am born again I would rather say hey that my salvation is being worked out as I live.”
And you are not confused?
I pity you, because you are not a child of the Lord’s through the Spirit, but by the flesh, nothing but self-repentance, and self-works. You are lost……..
Shalom, yes all true. I was brought up in Italy and the Roman Catholic Church but saved by faith in my Lord and saviour Jesus Christ. Hallelujah
May I be so bold as to make a few comments to aid our journey and run that glorious race? Excuse any typos:
If you are still in the Catholic Church or an unwitting apostate protestant, or in a social club, or very switched on, we are all on a journey. But the Bible has this advice: Rev 18:4 the main verse in my comment for you is Rev 18:4 Come out of HER my people. You might recognise “her” as the Mother of Harlots of Rev 17:4,5.
The prophecies of Daniel and Revelation work hand in hand to describe the Papacy the Beast that replaced the Ceasars and became the Holy Roman Empire the most brutal apostate system on Earth. There is so much to say about its influence in the world yesterday and today that controls everything. Antichrist or Man of Sin is now hidden by the Ecumenical movement which to cut a long story short is false unity based on unity at the cost of the truth. We should be in one accord based on the truth.
The Reformers came out of the Catholic Church and there was a harvest when they restored some of the main pillars of the faith like Righteousness by faith and other main pillars of the faith like Sanctification by faith although they had not completed the restoration to the simplicity of the faith and the Biblical standards of the early apostolic church. God used them and worked with them for He winks at their ignorance. Many sacrificed their lives for God’s cause and there was a harvest.
But we are in a war between Christ and Satan so this movement was broken down, but there is always a remnant.
Harlots are the daughters (denominations) that came out in the Roman Catholic system and eventually were to lose their protest against the false doctrines and started to drink the wine of Babylon again (false doctrine) and become apostate because these denominations were infiltrated by the Jesuits and the Oxford Movement in England and brought back some of the traditions of RC that negate righteousness by faith and make void the Law of God and bring in their modern theologies on eschatology and methods of worship practice we see today in all denominations.
I am Seventh Day Adventist and my denomination has some of these issues but is still able to defend Protestantism from a public platform. Yes, we have Ellen White a prophet that was gifted to God’s remnant church to prophecy again according to Dan 8 the end of the 2300 yr prophecy and Revelation 10 prophecy that predicted the Great disappointment of 1844 and then the truth would come as sweet as honey when they completed the Reformation by restoring the &th Day Sabbath and the Judgement and the state of the dead. We profess that those who keep the Commandments of God and have the faith of Jesus will be given the Spirit of Prophecy to magnify God’s Word for modern times that will increase in knowledge of the Word of God Knowledge of Science and the increased deceptions of Evolution, the New Age Movement, Modern Spiritualism and the cults that exploded at and around the year of 1844 and many other movements conducted in the Great Controversy between Christ and Satan at the end of the age in the last generations of Eath’s history before the second advent to bring an ending in the Judgement of men and Satan and his minions.
I can explain this doctrine another time which needs to be carefully studied.
Read Revelation 18 I hope you recognise what the Reformers discovered:
18 And after these things I saw another angel come down from heaven, having great power; and the earth was lightened with his glory.
2 And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird.
3 For all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies.
4 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.
5 For her sins have reached unto heaven, and God hath remembered her iniquities.
6 Reward her even as she rewarded you, and double unto her double according to her works: in the cup which she hath filled fill to her double.
7 How much she hath glorified herself, and lived deliciously, so much torment and sorrow give her: for she saith in her heart, I sit a queen, and am no widow, and shall see no sorrow.
8 Therefore shall her plagues come in one day, death, and mourning, and famine; and she shall be utterly burned with fire: for strong is the Lord God who judgeth her.
9 And the kings of the earth, who have committed fornication and lived deliciously with her, shall bewail her, and lament for her, when they shall see the smoke of her burning,
10 Standing afar off for the fear of her torment, saying, Alas, alas that great city Babylon, that mighty city! for in one hour is thy judgment come.
11 And the merchants of the earth shall weep and mourn over her; for no man buyeth their merchandise any more:
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This article is on the “Mark”. The whole concept of the “Body of Christ” has been perverted, due to the fallen nature and religiousness of men, who have allowed a “systematic, organized corporate” mentality take over the “man-made” church system.
Nothing that is represented in the “main stream church” system is of Christ nor was it unctioned by Jesus Christ. The present day view of “Christianity” was never born by and the through the Holy Spirit. It’s ALL flesh, and flesh is enmity against the Spirit. And anything born by and through the flesh represents SIN, and death. Which proves we are living in the days of the Anti-Christ One World Church system.
I tremble for the billions of so-called believer’s who think they follow Christ and are born of and by His Holy Spirit, when they are not. There ending is going to be a shock. I would not wish that upon anyone.
Thank you for writing this, it is truth……..and unless the working of the Holy Spirit has it’s way many who think they be in the truth, will realize they have lived a lie.
Lord bless you……….
Good evening to you all
I have listened to a very good presentation on Babylon and if you understand what modern day spiritual Babylon is you will understand that through biblical prophecy why we had a dark ages and why we have a man of sin religious system in the world and why it is called the mother of harlots and you’ll understand who the daughters are.
Remember in mediaeval times there was only one church and in order to understand why there’s so many different denominations now is because the Reformation had to happen two separate Christianity from paganism from the dark ages and for the Bible to be released from captivity this is all part of Bible prophecy the 1260 the three and a half years and the 42 months all Coralate with each other and you’ll see why why we must come out of her and be separate this is rome and
ecumenism today please listen to this presentation.
What’s up prof 96
Just keep on lying………..your words are being recorded by the Lord Jesus Christ and you will be held accountable for leading people to the false Christ of Ellen G. White and the SDA.
May the Lord grant you the true grace to be convicted of your sins, and that the Holy Spirit will convict you and bring you to repentance, because “self-willed” repentance is of the flesh and not by the Holy Spirit.
Free will is a lie of the Devil…….YOU are still dead in your sins, and not forgiven, for you believe in a false Christ and a false Salvation, and you are spreading this among the lost.
Ian, let me help you out. SDAs do believe in salvation. Salvation does not come by works, it come by faith. However, the Bible says that faith without works is dead. We do not have to work for our salvation. We only do good works just to prove we are saved. Good works do not save you, they prove you are saved. Ian, we need to be born again. Our salvation is not worked ouut as we live. God changes our characters as we live. We don’t ever lose our salvation. We just keep Saturday as the Sabbath because the Bible says it was the Sabbath. So Ian, you have given these people a false picture of what SDAs are like. My mother used to believe SDAs were a cult until she decided to read Ellen White’s books to say the are unbiblical… But she reads the and she’s impressed. My mother is born again, and she hasn’t departed from it. So Cctechm, are you calling him unborn again because he has not left it, that is not true.
Seventh Day Adventists have made some good YT videos and films, etc. but it’s sad that always at the end they go back to everything hinges on Saturday being the right day for worship and not Sunday.
Yet it cannot possibly be true that everything hinges on Sunday worship because the Bible tells us something else and both cannot be right.
Also with regard to whether Seventh Day Adventism or Ellen White is correct or not. There is one Bible passage in particular – but many more besides – which gives us the answer: “Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.” (Acts 4:12)
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SDAs do believe in salvation. OF COURSE
Salvation does not come by works, it come by faith ABSOLUTLY
However, the Bible says that faith without works is dead.ABSOLUTLY
We do not have to work for our salvation ABSOLUTLY.
We only do good works just to prove we are saved ABSOLUTLY.
Good works do not save you ABSOLUTLY, they prove you are saved NOT QUITE.
Ian, we need to be born again ABSOLUTLY
Our salvation is not worked ouut as we live JESUS IS OUR HIGH PRIEST AND FORGIVES REPENTED SINS NOT CHERISHED SINS.
God changes our characters as we live YES AND WE DO TOO THROUGH FAITH AND EXPERIENCE BY ACTIONS OF BEARING FRUIT, WE DO OUR PART OUT OF FAITH. SANTIFICATION IS A PROCESS.
We don’t ever lose our salvation. WRONG THAT IS DANGEROUS. REMEMBER SATAN IS THE ACCUSER AND IS ALWAYS TRYING TO CAUSE US TO FAIL IN ONE POINT OF THE LAW SO UN-REPENTED SIN IS A SNARE, SO IS DECEPTION / PRESUMPTION CAN LEAD TO HAVING YOUR NAME BLOTTED OUT OF THE BOOK OF LIFE.
ONCE SAVED ALWAYS SAVED MOST DEADLY DOCTRINE.
We just keep Saturday as the Sabbath because the Bible says it was the Sabbath. SABBATH IS THE SEVENTH DAY ETC SHOULD BE SATURDAY IN MOST NATIONS AS SOME HAVE DIFFERENT CALENDARS, A SNARE..
HOWEVER THERE ARE TRUE CHRISTIANS IN EVERY CHURCH NOT ACCEPTING THE ROMAN CATHOLIC COMMUNION WHO SINCERELY BELIEVE THAT SUNDAY IS THE SABBATH OF DIVINE APPOINTMENT.
GOD ACCEPTS THEIR SINCERETY AND THEIR INTEGRITY BEFORE HIM.
BUT WHEN SUNDAY OBSERVANCE SHALL BE ENFORCED BY LAW AND THE WORLD SHALL BE ENLIGHTENED CONCERNING THE OBLIGATION OF THE TRUE BIBLE SABBATH THEN WHOEVER SHALL TRANSGRESS THE COMMAND OF GOD TO OBEY A PRECEPT THAT IS NO HIGHER THAN ROME WILL THEREBY HONOUR POPERY RATHER THAN GOD.
WHEN THE ISSUE OF SABBATH IS AGITATED ACROSS THE WORLD TO OBSERVE SUNDAY LEGISLATION THEN THE LONG AWAITED MARK OF THE BEAST CRISES WILL APPEAR ACCORDING TO THE BIBLE.
WHEN MEN REJECT THE INJUNCTION WHICH GOD HAS DECLARED TO BE THE SIGN OF HIS AUTHORITY, AND HONOUR IN ITS STEAD THAT WHICH ROME HAS CHOSEN AS A TOKEN OF HER SUPREMACY, THEY WILL THEREBY ACCEPT THE SIGN OF ALLEGIANCE TO ROME THE MARK OF THE BEAST.
THE 7TH DAY SABBATH IS THE MEMORIAL OF CREATION LIES AT THE FOUNDATION OF DIVINE WORSHIP FROM THE BEGINING
So Ian, you have given these people a false picture of what SDAs are like. I HOPE NOT
My mother used to believe SDAs were a cult until she decided to read Ellen White’s books to say the are unbiblical… But she reads the and she’s impressed. I RECOMMEND E G WHITE SHE WAS USED BY GOD AT A KEY POINT IN BIBLE PROPHECY. THEY ARE THE MOST WATER TIGHT BIBLICAL WRITINGS OUTSIDE OF THE RECIEVED TEXTS BIBLE. THE KJV IS SAFEST TRANSLATION.
My mother is born again YOU CANT BE SURE OF THAT. ONLY JESUS KNOWS YOUR MUM’S RECORD, TO SAY IM BORN AGAIN IS PRESUMPTION. WE MUST UNDERSTAND OUR TRUE CONDITION AND STAY ON THE NARROW PATH. WE MUST BE CONTINUALLY STRIVING TO ENTER IN AS PAUL SAYS AND THE CHRISTIAN LIFE IS A BATTLE AND A MARCH.
WE NEED THE FULL ARMOUR OF GOD ON BECAUSE WE ARE NO MATCH FOR THE ENEMY.
SALVATION IS A PROCESS. ONEDAY YOUR IN THE BOOK OF LIFE AND WHEN YOU FALL YOU ARE TAKEN OUT AGAIN. LIFE IS A CONSTANT BATTLE AND WE HAVE TO DIE DAILY TO BE IN CONNECTION WITH OUR LORD. IF WE LOOSE THAT CONNECTION THROUGH NEGLECT OR SIN YOU WILL NEED TO COME BACK TO THE SAVIOUR AGAIN ON YOUR KNEES ETC SO IT IS A PROCESS.
and she hasn’t departed from it. So Cctechm, are you calling him unborn again because he has not left it, that is not true.?????
HOPE YOUR WELL
Isn’t it fundamental to the Gospel to keep strictly to it so that there are no divisions and arguments? Isn’t that what the Bible says to do?
As soon as people start to subscribe to different beliefs, denominations and sects, drawing up followers to themselves and creating their own set of rules, isn’t that when arguments start which could go on forever, each 100% certain that he is the one who is right? Or did the different denominations come out of the different beliefs and interpretations, etc? Which came first, the chicken or the egg? Does it even matter? When we know that the Bible says not to do this.
The Truth about Christian Denominations and Sects
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We are in a war between good and evil called the Great Controversy between Christ and satan.
Therefore any good movement like the Protestant reformation started off with the best of intentions. There were only two denominations then. The Bible religion of the word of God was driven underground in the Dark Ages whilst the Catholic Church used the state to persecute the Bible religion. In prophecy, the Bible itself was ware sackcloth as the two witnesses (Old & New Testaments) during the 1260 yrs of persecution or 42 months or 3.5 yrs point to this Dark Ages where the Bible was banned by the Antichrist on pain of death. This antichrist the man of sin system (the papacy + church and state) was to receive a mortal head wound at the separation of church and state under Napoleon but was to heal later on like what we can see tacking shape today as it is behind the NWO today WEF WHO the UN the banks and multi-faith movement and ecumenism etc.
The Protestant Reformation got started because the Bible came out of captivity due to the reformers who translated the Bible received texts into their own languages so that the ploughman knew more than the priest etc. The Papacy has an antichrist mindset as it says in Daniel. Read the Great Controversy. Floods of Catholics left the Catholic Church when they discovered righteousness by faith rather than works and formed another denomination that restored righteousness by faith then another restored sanctification and another restored the state of the dead and in time another restored baptism etc so on which can only be good. But these were also under attack from satan and his servants from Rome. The society of Jesus the Jesuit order formed the Counter-Reformation Movement to infiltrate the world by becoming the schoolmasters of the world and whose mission is to destroy Protestantism from within like the tares etc. From here all the denominations were infiltrated and broken down to what we have today in the church with ecumenism which is sponsored by Rome. That is History. That is why we have many denominations. This is how the battle between Christ and satan is at work in the mindset of the world and the church. There are jesuits in my denomination who are ecumenical programmers and bring in modernism and any new theology they so wish. So we are divided like all the other protestants. This is why Revelation 18:4 says come out of her my people etc. And Jesus says out of other folds etc they must come out from both the world and from spiritual Babylon etc. This is it in a nutshell.
The Bible religion is pure. And we are all on a journey and we are all different. So we have different levels of understanding and imperfect backgrounds and our ability to learn the truth is not the same. But this is not why we have different denominations although this has a bearing on how we perceive truth. Only the Holy Spirit can point us in the right direction if we are humble and know our true condition as sinful and fallen and ask for help and persevere to study to show ourselves approved by earnest prayer and study to compare scripture with scripture etc are we then rewarded. The Bible study without prayer and perseverance is hopeless. BUT THROUGH TRIAL AND ERROR WE BECOME SHARPENED. GOD HELP US
Wasn’t the very first ‘denomination’ – or should that be ‘demon-i-nation’? – when one of the early Christians at the time of Paul, did not subscribe to everything being said. So he took some followers away to follow him rather than to follow Jesus Christ and what we now know to be his genuine followers?
Interesting you say that. It strikes a chord with me that this is the very foundations of the apostate church leading to the Man of Sin religious system the Papacy long before it was revealed after the demise of the Ceasars. The formation of the apostate church that was to become corrupted in Pauls prophecy to the Ephesians also interesting that this would happen that from within yourselves. Consider the church of Ephesus
founded by the apostle Paul who lived among the people of Ephesus for 3 years and despite it having apostolic influence bishops and overseers that were appointed by a confirmed apostle, we see the same church being rebuked by Jesus Himself in Revelation in chapter 2, why? Because they deviated from God’s Word and if you like they even deviated from what ever tradition they might have received. If they had been appointed elders by an apostle than they had been entrusted to carry on this tradition. The fact that they were being rebuked by Jesus shows you that what ever tradition they might have recieved was no guarantee that they were going to continue in it, so then what is the authority? The written Word, is always only the final court of appeal for Jesus for the apostles always. In Acts 20 Paul summons the elders bishops and overseers of the church of Ephesus and says to them in verse 29
For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock.
30 Also of your own selves shall men arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them.
31 Therefore watch, and remember, that by the space of three years I ceased not to warn every one night and day with tears.
From among yourselves he speaks speaking to the elders that he had appointed and he basically prophesies that they are going to become corrupted.
Peter says a similar thing will happen,”Prophets will arise among you” The traditions developed by them were not trustworthy and superseded the written Word of God’
Quote from the Great Controversy:
The apostle Paul, in his second letter to the Thessalonians, foretold the great apostasy which would result in the establishment of the papal power. He declared that the day of Christ should not come, “except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshiped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.” And furthermore, the apostle warns his brethren that “the mystery of iniquity doth already work.” 2 Thessalonians 2:3, 4, 7. Even at that early date he saw, creeping into the church, errors that would prepare the way for the development of the papacy. GC 49.1
Shalom, this area was then conquered by the Ottoman Empire and from Christian became an islamic stronghold to this day. The result of false Christianity
Yes, but don’t you know of the reformation of the church? Surely you know your history?
Yes history is most important thanks
To some history is important and in a way it is. Especially in that we can – or should but often don’t – learn from it. There is an extent though to which ‘his story’ of what happened cannot be relied upon and there is ‘his story’ and ‘his story’ and so on and they may be quite very different.
We do have some eyewitness accounts, but many other types of history too. Often no one who relates the history was actually there at the time and saw what happened. So rather than relating what actually happened, they are giving their own coloured view of what happened which may differ dramatically from someone else’s view. Plus, of course, so many individuals and organisations have their own private agendas and are more interested in that, than in the truth per se.
History cannot be the most important thing when the most important thing is God’s word along with its correct interpretation and practice, and everything else including history is secondary.
That logic destroys the whole point of the Reformation. It’s like saying men like Huss, Luther, Zwigli, Calvin, Wesley, Knox and Allen even YOU , were all false prophets because they founded a denomination. That is no debate anyone wants to get into They stood up for the right and separated because the wrong thought they were right and refused to change.
Yes, except it is not “like saying” anything because nobody said anything like it. Neither is this blog site another denomination nor anything like one, but rather speaks out against having denominations in Christianity – just as the Bible itself does – which are effectively divisions.
We attempt to point the way to what the Bible says and may fail in some respects but also there is validity in much of what we are saying because we do our best to keep to the Bible.
For example, Luther was human and yes, he stood up against the Catholic church of which he was once part but he had his own problems, as humans usually do. If you look into his story there is considerable anti-semitism and other dark things. While it would be good to break away from the Catholic church, it would be best not to ‘follow’ Luther as the Lutherans are another denomination. Rather follow Jesus.
In history, there can be no denying there were people who did wonderful things such as John Bunyan with Pilgrim’s Progress, and the evangelist brothers John and Charles Wesley who wrote so many of our beautiful hymns. The early Bible translators and publishers John Wycliffe who made himself an enemy of the Catholic church and fought with blood, sweat and tears for the Bible to be available to everyone rather than just a select and corrupt few.
Eventually, though, Man – with of course the help of the Enemy – eventually seems to manage to be able to corrupt everything he gets his hands on. So now we have thousands of denominations and many hundreds of Bible translations which cloud the truth so that people can’t see it.
“What is the truth?” is a very important question, it is the very question that Pilate asked of Jesus. As believers, we know the truth is in the Bible which is the unerring word of God. It logically follows then that the whole truth cannot be found in any of the denominations. Each believes that they are the only ones who have the truth, as the Bible is clear that we should not have denominations which is what we are fundamentally saying here.
The Truth about Christian Denominations and Sects
The Reformation happened because the Bible was in captivity during these dark ages of history. The divine tide of prophecy set in motion a move of the Holy Spirit to convict certain souls to come out from “her the great whore of Babylon” that had presumptuously stood in the place (anti) of Jesus Christ, who set up a system of mediation through men to users our High Priest Jesus Christ. Call no man your Father o Earth etc. The dragon himself satan who originally wanted to be like the Most High himself has his seat of authority in Rome. He spites God and usurps the worship of God’s lost sheep. The great whore (papacy) did everything to contain the Word of God but failed. Simultaneously God moved his people in the church to come out and be separated from the false doctrines, and idolatry. Although the true Bible religion was diminished and was in hiding in the wilderness during the dark ages (the 1260 or 42 or the 3.5=1260 years). The development of the printing press enabled simultaneous Bible translation of the Received Texts in Europe ( The two witnesses Old & New Testaments com come out of sackcloth etc). This opened the way for Catholics to separate from the Catholic Church. From which we have the denominations that restored the main pillars of the faith and set captives free. Although they hadn’t completely restored the Bible religion to the same standard as the Early Apostolic Church, God used them and worked with them although they were not perfect they had a heart after God etc. From which we had the original protestant denominations that split from the Catholic Church.
But the Reformation was still not completed. Protestantism was to be broken down and degraded over time to become the daughters of the Mother Church: “The Mother of Harlots” controls the daughters who are the apostate protestants we have today that have the become ecumenical movement in various degrees. Bible Prophesy puts all this into context. Many Protestants besides Seventh-day Adventists understand this basic rundown of historic events that have helped multitudes to see the picture Biblical picture as a whole. This is the simple way we should see the outcome putting it in a nutshell.